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Therapy Chat

Welcome to Therapy Chat podcast! Whether you're a therapist or not, you'll be fascinated by the discussions on this podcast, which focuses on emotions and well being. Baltimore area clinical social worker Laura Reagan, LCSW-C, specializes in trauma related to family of origin issues and trauma. Laura interviews psychotherapists, authors and other experts about psychotherapy, mindfulness, trauma, worthiness, perfectionism, self compassion, attachment, parenting, self care and much more. Find more about Laura at . 


Apr 30, 2020

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In today's episode, host Laura Reagan, LCSW-C interviews a guest who is an expert on grief. Claire Bidwell Smith is a therapist and the author of the new book, Anxiety: the Missing Stage of Grief. Here's what was discussed:

- Therapy Chat has been focusing on grief this year, but episodes have taken a detour to focus more directly on the current worldwide pandemic happening in April of 2020. Today's episode is fitting for both the pre and post COVID19 world.
- Laura and Claire talk about some of their own experiences with grief, as well as common themes heard in work with clients in both of their therapy practices
- Claire explains how Elizabeth Kubler Ross's stages of the dying process became what most people recognize as the "stages of grief"
- Claire describes the "missing stage" of grief - anxiety and how it shows up for us
- Claire offers tips for those who are finding themselves overwhelmed with anxiety and panic during the pandemic and at any point while living with grief
- Claire shares some suggestions of books and other resources including her own online courses and meditations to help people come to terms with grief

Claire Bidwell Smith is a licensed therapist specializing in grief and the author of two previous books of nonfiction: The Rules of Inheritance and After This. She has written for The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Guardian, The Huffington Post,, Slate, Chicago Public Radio, Psychology Today, Yoga Journal, and BlackBook Magazine. She received her Master’s Degree in clinical psychology from Antioch University, and has a therapy practice in Los Angeles while also working with clients around the globe.

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